Kawatamarina
She assists Marianne Harberg.
She is born and raised in the United States and now lives in Sweden.
She is also an artist who makes pottery works.
And she is Japanese but she has never lived in Japan.
That was everything we knew about her.
She heard from Marianne that she would come to Japan and practice her pottery, and she interviewed her who had just returned (coming to Japan) to hear the story.
Television and California
Tonkachi
What kind of TV did you watch?
Marina
I was watching Manhattan Love Story ( *).
Tonkachi
smile. Why a Japanese drama? Isn't it sex & the city?
Marina
What is it?
Tonkachi
Did the Japanese drama feel good?
Marina
yes. I really like human drama and I really like Japanese comedy. I don't know much about American jokes ...
Tonkachi
Where did you grow up?
Marina
California (laughs).
Tonkachi
Then you know the American joke?
Marina
Hmm. I understand but I couldn't laugh.
Tonkachi
How long have you been in California?
Marina
I'm 20 years old.
Tonkachi
If you are 20 years old, you are completely California.
Marina
That's relatively so. But if she comes to Japan, she thinks she's a Californian, but she is still Japanese when she is in California.
Tonkachi
When do you think you are Japanese? Are you worried about Abe?
Marina
smile. There is no such thing, but it is difficult, but it is a place to care, but I do not know what the Japanese are, so it may not be clear.
Tonkachi
Did your parents originally live in Japan?
Marina
yes. It is the United States from the university. Her parents met in San Francisco and I was born.
* Manhattan Love Story: Continuous TV drama (11 episodes in total) broadcasted in TBS drama from October 9 to December 18, 2003. A drama written by Kankuro Miyafuji, a coffee shop "Manhattan", which is open near a TV station, is a drama that intersects the various thoughts of the manager, clerk and regular customers.
Her Japan
Tonkachi
Where are you interested in Japan?
Marina
I am interested in Japanese crafts and the concept of manufacturing.
Tonkachi
Did you know that you are Japanese, so were you interested in it?
Marina
There is also that, and when I have been to an art school for two years in Sweden, I have a Japanese friend, and I heard about why to make it at that time, and there is such a way of thinking. What I thought was the kick.
Tonkachi
Where was that different from my California preparation?
Marina
Learning the basics.
Tonkachi
Please explain a little there.
Marina
Well, I think it's natural to learn the basics, but when I'm in California, it's very ridiculous, and I have to know the basics, but it's cool to emphasize the basics. There was a trend of bad. I didn't wonder at that time, but when I first met Japanese and lived in Sweden for two years, I knew that the basics were very important.
Tonkachi
Did you see the Japanese value the basics?
Marina
Yeah, it depends on the person, but the percentage of such people was large.
The word Japanese
Marina
The opinion of Japanese is last. Finally, "Isn't it somehow?" The United States is completely different because the explanation comes at the end after first giving opinions. That's why I'm different from me who speaks Japanese and speaking in the United States.
Tonkachi
Speaking Japanese, it becomes a Japanese way of thinking. Therefore, all foreigners who like Japanese are Japanese, and their thoughts are Japanese. Maybe there is a place to stipulate the concept of things in Japanese. Did you speak Japanese since you were small?
Marina
Yes, I haven't improved too much.
Tonkachi
Did you learn the apple while saying Apple?
Marina
Japanese is the first. I can't say what I'm saying when I entered a nursery. I wondered what everyone was talking about. I remember the first moment I thought it would not be transmitted.
Tonkachi
Wasn't it a Japanese school?
Marina
yes.
Tonkachi
Before I went to the nursery school, I always talked with her parents in Japanese, and when I went to the nursery school, I became English. You remember the confusion at that time. What did you feel bad, anxious, and feel?
Marina
I feel like where I was today. I don't feel like it, but I remember it a little.
Tonkachi
I remember that when I was small, when I was a baby, the water in the basin was sparkling. I also remember that I had to go to kindergarten from today. Do you have such a close memory at the beginning?
Marina
I remember getting up in the morning and going down the stairs and eating bread.
Two self
Tonkachi
When thinking in Japanese, it becomes Japanese, and speaking in English becomes a Californian. When were you aware that you have two self?
Marina
It was very late, when I was a college student.
Tonkachi
Did California have an acquaintance other than your parents?
Marina
There was no at all.
Tonkachi
Have you been watching Japanese TV since you were a child?
Marina
There was only one Japanese channel. I was doing Hamtaro or Dragon Ball.
Tonkachi
Perhaps your parents showed you to remember Japanese.
Marina
I've always been saying that I can talk with my grandpa with my grandmother living in Japan. But I can't read and write kanji at all. I was told, but I didn't try to learn. It was difficult and troublesome. I'm sorry that I don't know it now.
Tonkachi
I have acquired words but have not acquired letters. I have only earned spoken language. There is no literature there.
Marina
yes.
Tonkachi
When you come to Japan, there are various signs and signs, but are you watching it as a video?
Marina
that's right. I'm looking at it as a decoration.
Tonkachi
Just as I went to China or Sweden, I don't know what is written. But I can speak normally and I'm Japanese, and it's interesting. Which is Tokyo Station when you get on the train? I listen in Japanese even though it is written and there.
Marina
It's very embarrassing (laughs).
Tonkachi
It seems like this person is playful.
Marina
I don't know the contents of the rice ball.
Tonkachi
Well, what is the salmon? Sometimes. It is a situation that we do not have. When you press the button to buy a ticket to watch a movie, you don't know which movie it is. But when you come to Japan, you can stay from a foreign perspective twice. You don't know Japan, who grew up in California, and you are two of you who know Japan. Even though two people are riding with one flight fare, it is only for one person. It looks like you can see Japan very fresh.
Swedish life
Tonkachi
Are you in California until the age of 20 and go to Sweden from there? Is it an art school?
Marina
Ceramics, textiles and gardening schools.
Tonkachi
When were you interested?
Marina
At first I was studying illustrations when I was 17 and 18 years old, and then the two -dimensional became sad ... I wanted to make what I could have, and if I was making such a work, the teacher said, "This is not an illustration," so I thought I would take a break while thinking, "Oh, that's right."
Tonkachi
What you want to make is different.
Marina
yes. My friend happened to come to a school in Sweden with a little experience for a day. He told me, "Why don't you go because there is such a school?"
Tonkachi
So, if you didn't have a friend's recommendation, you might have been on the path of the illustration.
Marina
Maybe.
Tonkachi
Why were you interested in illustrations at first?
Marina
Grandma was really good at painting. She didn't like to talk much since she was a child, and she liked painting.
Tonkachi
Was she a quiet child?
Marina
I agree. Knowing various illustrators, it looks really interesting! I thought. But since I started pottery, I became a different person as I couldn't remember during the illustration.
Tonkachi
Haven't you returned to the United States from that time?
Marina
After returning for about two weeks, my parents are in the United States.
Tonkachi
What do you think when you live in Sweden?
Marina
I am sorry that it will soon darken.
Tonkachi
That's different from Sweden and California.
Marina
wrong. But it's good to think that you can get time to rest. Also, California is not always bright, but since the time goes on with the same feeling, I didn't think much to change my mind. However, in Sweden, this is the time of this time, so I came to want to switch to this way of thinking.
Tonkachi
Can I be in Sweden in Japanese mode?
Marina
Hmm. Very difficult. I wonder what. When I speak Japanese, I always refuse to say, "I can speak Japanese, but I grew up in the United States, so it's really strange Japanese." I feel like I'm speaking Japanese with a fun feeling so that I don't hurt my opponent.
Tonkachi
Japanese is not strange at all. There are many strange Japanese people. It's easier to understand than the story of Sasaki (Tonkachi designer). Which one do you want to dream?
Marina
Hmm. You may not talk much. In a dream.
Tonkachi
What kind of dream is not to talk?
Marina
It's a dream that things are happening. I'm conscious that something has happened, someone is ordering this way, but no words remain.
Tonkachi
A dream that can be conscious but does not remain as a language.
Marina
You may not have much dreams.
Marianne
Tonkachi
Why did you work with Marianne?
Marina
When I moved to Yotaboli, I happened to be introduced by my teacher when I wanted to work under a pottery.
Tonkachi
What is the impression of your first meeting?
Marina
A calm person. At first I only saw the work, so I thought I was a young person.
Tonkachi
Marianne is calm (laughs)
Marina
The first impression is (laughs). I thought he was an adult who is interested in the ideas of a very young person.
Tonkachi
Is there any episode?
Marina
When I worked for the first time, I said, "Can you art with virtual reality?" She said, "I want a robot."
Tonkachi
That's like that.
Marina
Also, there may be many questions.
TonkachiWhat do you ask?
Marina
There are times when it's very dark, when you die. A sickness, a story of preparing to die, or a world after death. There is such a story, but the next day I was kidnapped by an alien who did not come, and when I came back, I wore fluffy pants.
All
smile.
Tonkachi
So what did you answer?
Marina
Hey. Such a story is often, so it would be hard if I was surprised (laughs).
Three countries
Tonkachi
Swedish people and California are different.
Marina
wrong. Swedish people are Japanese -like. Americans would usually say that if there were two opposite people, I wouldn't think so at all, but Sweden didn't think that's the case. Don't be a fight, trying to avoid discussions.
Tonkachi
The idea is not to collide directly directly.
Marina
I'm quiet in the United States and don't do that much. When I came to Sweden, I became that kind of person.
Tonkachi
When you come to Sweden, do you accept Swedish people as an American?
Marina
I wonder what about. It is thought to be Japanese. Good friends and friends don't know what they think. I wonder what it is.
Tonkachi
When I came to Japan, I saw the characters in the video, looked at foreigners, and have never lived in Japan, and have never become a member of Japan. For you, Japan is a Japanese culture that I learned later from the house where my father and mother are. Japan is condensed in that.
Marina
I agree.
Tonkachi
I wonder if your Japan will be 5 or 6 Japan, including grandpa and grandmother. It's smaller than Noah's box whistle, like a single boat. Miniature Japan.
Marina
yes. So it's really fun to watch not only dramas, various love comedy, but also documentary, action, and police.
Tonkachi
It's interesting that it happened naturally. Isn't there a Japanese feeling in the pottery you are making, was it from the beginning?
Marina
I don't think, but that happened. The technology is not all that much, so it's still shallow. As for pottery, I'm still looking for myself. I am aware of the United States, be aware of Sweden, and experiment.
Again about Marianne
Tonkachi
Marianne I think is not positive. Not negative. Nothing.
Marina
When I talk when it's dark, I'm sighing.
Tonkachi
You're often together these days, right?
Marina
Well, I recently thought that Marianne had a word in her work, flower power. I wonder if this is the word for myself recently. She was sometimes dark, so she wondered if she wrote what she didn't want to forget.
Tonkachi
I'm not writing advertising phrases or copies. She writes what she needs. She looks like how to make her work. If you make the same thing with the same order, you will get tired immediately (laughs).
Marina
that's right. I'm making it (laughs).
Tonkachi
It is difficult to balance because just making what you need is a business that involves others. When others like us are involved, the scale is a little bigger. When you go as a business, you have to create what others need.
If you make Batman and everyone wants to watch Batman 2, you have to make it. But when you make 3 and make 4, the person will be the only person who makes only Batman, so if you do that, it will not be what Marianne wants to do, so somewhere involved as a business like ourselves adjusts it. There must be. That is an experiment and a challenge for us.
Can Marianne want to do and make what Marianne needs, and she can deliver it to those who want Batman 2 without losing too much while maintaining it? If you think about it, you may be able to find a way to do a job that everyone doesn't do.
I think Marianne doesn't like to do a lot of money for money. But if you continue your business, you will always go in the direction of money, and you will not be able to reduce it. If so, it will be no longer a business. It's difficult to find a right place, but I think it's something we need to do.
If you make Batman and everyone wants to watch Batman 2, you have to make it. But when you make 3 and make 4, the person will be the only person who makes only Batman, so if you do that, it will not be what Marianne wants to do, so somewhere involved as a business like ourselves adjusts it. There must be. That is an experiment and a challenge for us.
Can Marianne want to do and make what Marianne needs, and she can deliver it to those who want Batman 2 without losing too much while maintaining it? If you think about it, you may be able to find a way to do a job that everyone doesn't do.
I think Marianne doesn't like to do a lot of money for money. But if you continue your business, you will always go in the direction of money, and you will not be able to reduce it. If so, it will be no longer a business. It's difficult to find a right place, but I think it's something we need to do.
Marina
I think it's really hard. Marianne is a writer, a manager, and there are many things, so sometimes it will go down and everyone may be, but it's difficult. I have to live.
Tonkachi
I think everyone needs the time of Utsu, not just the artist but also us who live normally. I think that the time of Utsu is appropriate is a condition that does not become a real Utsu. Thank you for talking about various things today. Let's go to the yakitori shop!
Marina
smile.
After the interview
In her story, there are various factors, such as global, Japanese, and expressionists. How do people become Japanese? That was in this, and I turned forward. We, of course, have thought that we are Japanese, but is that so? Isn't it so obvious? I heard her story. And how do people become artists? That may lead to that.
It's always interesting to talk about people near the artist. We have an invisible face there. It takes a long time to take out words from an invisible face, as a matter of course.
Let's summarize the interviews, and we will continue to do our best in the domestic! I was worried.